In this episode, Jeremy and Robert sit down with Mark Nunnikhoven, Security Principal at AWS. Mark is passionate about cybersecurity awareness and education, which makes him the perfect guest to discuss the topic of perception. Mark provides his expert insight from years of experience as a forensic scientist, speaker, and coach. Mark, Jeremy, and Robert dive into a great discussion about the importance of fundamental cybersecurity controls, how to communicate cybersecurity needs with people outside the field, and most importantly, what is perception and why is it so important?